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Getting Published In Three Simple Steps

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This post by Maureen Johnson about James Frey has enraged me to a point where I feel I must make a post telling everybody how to get published. (Finally - the secrets revealed!) Probably you will all find it childishly simple! But I think of it as Publishing 101. And maybe someone can email this link to people at Columbia.

1. Write a book.

This is a tremendous amount of time and work. Shutting yourself up away from your friends and family. Tapping away at computers and missing crucial bits of TV and movies. (Frequent refrain at Casa Shadowchurch: What just happened? What did she just do? Where'd that monkey come from?)

Complications To This Step: It doesn't always get you to step two. Oh my gosh no. I mean, I know some writers sell their first books - and well done them! - but even in their case, I doubt that book is the first piece of writing they've ever done. I bet there've been scribblings as a kid, beginnings of other books, poems.

And for most people, it's not the first book. I have written thirty-four books. I have published two and will unless disaster strikes publish a third. After that, who can say? I can say this: I will not be publishing all the books I've written. Many of them are bad. So so bad. Astronomically bad. Even if someone offered me a big truck full of money, I could not cope with the shame of knowing others would read those words. (Those words include such sentences as 'But was giving her the cut direct at Almack's enough? Embarrassment might be a bitter drink, Julia reflected, but not so bitter as that from the bottle on her papa's desk marked POISON.' Also the immortal line 'Suddenly, ninjas.')

So you slave away for a year or more, and you are left with a pile of paper that is good for nothing but the attic. It may take you a long time to realise this. Sometimes you will not give up, and you'll be right not to! Sometimes, though, you will have to table it. Shelve it. Shove it under the bed, and move to the next thing. Even though it really hurts. I still hear the voices of some characters in books I've had to put in the attic. (Shut up kids! I might revise you someday. Until then, no funny business up there.)

I have heard people say in horror 'You have to write a whole book?' Yes, you do. Already-successful writers can sell on proposal (summaries of novels, can be 1 to 60 pages long, I've seen both) but the vast majority of new writers have to write a whole book. And then they have to throw out that whole book and start all over again, with no consolation but 'Well - that's one book closer to The One. Maybe THIS one will be The One!' Like dating. Dating lots of different people you have made up in your brain.

My advice for what it is worth (this is free on the internet so - uh - nothing!) the writers I think are most likely to be successful are those who never give up on writing itself, but who can give up on a certain project. (Or thirty of them.)

2. Get a literary agent.

Sometimes people skip this step. They can if they like! If they are totally amazing at negotiating, then at contract language, then (if you haven't sold your foreign rights to your publisher) at finding good foreign publishers. Then you negotiate with them, and fiddle with those contracts. Next step, to movies, and finding the right people and getting a good contract! Also if you think whenever problems arise (I hate my cover/My book's publication date has been pushed back four years/My editor wants me to add Martians with probes in the middle of the love scene!) you will be able to deal with your publishers all by yourself and be perfectly cool, calm and collected in achieving your ends.

If all that is true, go ahead, and know you have my undying admiration. If it all sounds like it might be beyond your grasp or within your grasp but leave you with little time for actual writing, a literary agent is good to have.

Complications To This Step:Doesn't always get you to Step Three. Your agent will send your book to say, ten editors s/he's chosen. They may all say no. Next round! They may all say... And so on, until your agent may advise you to put that one on the shelf, as well.

Also other stuff can happen! The Lovely Kristin Nelson isn't my first agent. When I was seventeen, I had a literary agent in London. She very, very nearly sold a book of mine.

It was terrible. The heroine was reincarnated - with a totally different personality - every chapter. The publisher, I think, thought they could do something with it: total rewrite while still using Cute Little Me as a writer? I don't even know. But at the time, the suggestion of drastic changes sent me running screeching my cute little head off, because I Was A Genius, How Could They Not See? And so the publisher backed off in a hurry because I was obviously going to be a nightmare to work with.

Every writer who's ever signed a bad contract, there but for the grace of my seventeen year old delusions of genius go I. It's so, so tempting to seize desperately at any chance of publication. But think long term.

3. Get an editor.

Once you have a good, legitimate editor, you are PROBABLY going to get published. (Though if your editor gets fired, or someone embezzles all your publishing house's money...)

It may take a while. (Publishing dates get pushed back all the time for a million reasons.) It may also not turn out like you planned. Basically there is a whole new set of problems. But, you are published! Success! Step 4 - Maybe Profit! A Little!

Shortcuts To The Three Steps

Self-publish! It totally worked for Christopher Paolini!

... Name ten other people it worked for! Christopher Paolini had a lot of other factors weighing in there, plus he did end up getting published by a traditional publisher. Lightning can strike twice but it is awfully unlikely. I have a (very talented, and traditionally published too) writer friend who used amazon's self-publishing lark with a (wonderful) book of hers. So far she has made five dollars. (I am not exaggerating for humorous effect. Five sweet, sweet dollars.)

Be a celebrity!

Actually that does work. But it's kind of difficult to become a celebrity, and then you're so busy celebritying, generally you have to hire a ghostwriter to write the book, so it's not even your book, and people are following you around claiming you're dating Jake Gyllenhall all the livelong day.

If you become accidentally famous for some freak accident involving melons and pandas, go ahead and use the fame to publish a book. Also, try to date Jake Gyllenhall. Why not?

Write fanfiction!

Doesn't work. I mean, I've done it, and I've also been published, but I also ate daffodils this one time. There is no connection between the two things. Write fanfiction if you think it might be fun, and never eat daffodils. They are not delicious.

This publisher says they will publish me, and see, a contract, so I can just sign it!

Get a literary agent. They will know if it's a legitimate publisher (though you can also find this out often through the magic of google) and they will know if it's a fair contract. If you really, really don't want a literary agent, then get a lawyer to look at the contract at least. (If you are a lawyer yourself, well done! Good idea! Like becoming a celebrity, probably too much trouble if that's all you want your lawyering degree for.)

Get to know published authors!

I know many aspiring writers. I can advise them on their work, and have done so! I don't know how helpful I am, but I do know... some stuff... about publishing and writing... so maybe a little helpful, and I hope that is nice! But I haven't been able to get anyone a book deal. I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to do it: if I tried people would give me funny looks. It's just not how publishing works. Writers write - publishers publish!

Every writer I know knows aspiring writers. They haven't been able to get them book deals. Knowing friends who can give you good advice, always nice! But it's no guarantee of anything. Do the three steps. It doesn't matter who you know in the end. (You can always get to know people after you are published, at book fairs and things. See also, One Day I Will Surely Meet Megan Whalen Turner, And Tell Her How I Love Her, And Then She Will Back Swiftly Away, O Glorious Day...)

Do work for hire, or book packaging!

This can vary widely. Book packaging, sometimes it means having a book that will say on the front it's by you and only you, but the publisher gave you a description of what they wanted the book to be about, and you get a lump sum but not any royalties. Some very successful books are written this way! There's nothing wrong with doing it: I once talked about doing it. When given a description to write by, I then changed the description to be more feminist and exciting (to me). Kind of changed it completely.

... Shockingly, I did not hear back about that project, because I was doing the equivalent of handing someone a grapefruit when they had asked for a carrot. But other people can and have done it super well. However, I still recommend a literary agent. They will look at the contract, and explain what the drawbacks and pros of the situation are.

Then there is work for hire. James Patterson has a factory with writers in it, who write books according to his outlines, and they will have his name on the front (other writer's name will be somewhere also). When I was wee, I read the Animorphs series by K.A. Applegate, and the Sweet Valley High series by Francine Pascal. I was shocked to realise, a couple years in, that many of the books in these serieseses were written by different writers. Other people have been shocked to realise that the writer for Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys was totally made up.

People have loved these books. I have loved these books. They have been a part of publishing since forever. These days, I do tend not to read them, because the writers of those books tend to be hidden away, and reading an author you love is like being in love: nobody else will do. I want that experience, and I try to find it.

But some brilliant writers write these things. I remember one Sweet Valley High book, where Good Boy Todd Wilkinson went Goth, and the people of Sweet Valley were utterly confounded by this turn of events until Bad Boy Bruce Patman was like 'Someone in make-up. NEVER FEAR. BRUCE KNOWS WHAT TO DO' and whistled at him. Genius I say. GENIUS. If only I hadn't been too young to know the truth behind 'created by Francine Pascal' I could have found out the author's name.

So that's totally doable as well. If it ever came up, I bet I would write a book set in Sweet Valley. (It would be called 'Bruce Patman Makes Out With Everybody.' ... Mind you, I bet that might be a bit 'handing grapefruit to someone who wants carrots'-ish as well.)

But have a literary agent to make sure the contract is fair, and you understand fully what you're getting into. You see where I keep going with this.

Shortcuts are very tricky! Often they do not work. You end up in a marsh, wailing despairingly as your friends try to fish you out with umbrellas. (That... never happened to me, of course.) Think of a literary agent as a friend with an umbrella.

Obstacles To The Three Steps

People will tell you that what you are doing is bad. This happens to everyone, all the time, and it never stops. (I have been telling James Joyce I think his books are atrocious for years. Does he ever listen?) One squillion times have I heard 'oh This Published Book is so terrible, it will be a snap for me to get published.' (Yes, I've heard it about my own books. And then I break out my internet death ray! ... It doesn't work yet, but one day, my friends. One day.) Tastes are subjective! Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, you may never know and may always want to stab them with a spoon, but try not to yell at anyone on the internet.

People will sometimes tell you what you do is bad, and how to fix it. Sometimes, they will be right. Try taking their advice - you can always go back. And if you're feeling unhappy about taking their advice, stop. If their advice worked amazingly, go back to them and also, sing them love songs. 'Baby baby, you were right about my descriptive language. Honey honey, also the emotional arc. Won't you be my critique partner 4 lyfe. Baby baby, you were so right.' (If one is seeking critique, I hear good stuff about www.critters.org)

People will tell you the thing you want to do is bad. My MFA had many cool things about it, including a publishing business seminar and this truly amazing course on children's literature, but the fact I wanted to write teen fantasy was baffling and appalling to them. Everyone was very kind: people told me I was really talented. But stop doing what you want to do, because it is bad was still a prevalent message.

It was a message I'd heard before. Once when I was in my teens, I got a letter from a Real Writer who had read one of my (awful, terrible, bad) books for some reason. I think an agent I'd submitted to gave it to the writer. The writer wrote me the kindest letter imaginable. I cried over it. I tried to write a response and was much, much too shy. The writer advised me to write realistic fiction, and I tried, I really did try, and I was bored out of my skull and gave up. This writer is now writing a successful fantasy series, so I hope they decided fantasy was awesome in the end.

Write what you want. Inform yourself as fully as you can. Listen to criticism. Follow the three steps, unless you have a good reason not to. (Write book! Get agent! Get editor.)

... Simple, right?

It does sound kind of hard. But as I think Terry Pratchett (a dude who writes his own books, despite the fact that his health problems would make a factory kind of understandable) said, the only way harder than the hard way is the easy way.

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beth_shulman
Nov. 15th, 2010 02:48 am (UTC)
See also, One Day I Will Surely Meet Megan Whalen Turner, And Tell Her How I Love Her, And Then She Will Back Swiftly Away, O Glorious Day...

ME TOO, ONE DAY. And ditto to the James Joyce.

(And for the rage-inducing part that I'm trying to pretend never happened? Fleecing writers will not make you the next Harry Potter. At least, it'd better never happen.)
gaudior_redux
Nov. 15th, 2010 02:56 am (UTC)
Wait, what?
You mean, I can't write fan fiction and then get it published? Seriously, I'm seeing at least a couple of glorified vanity presses coming out of fan fiction communities. It's like the new underpants gnomes from South Park.
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:06 am (UTC)
Re: Wait, what?
Vanity presses! I should have defined - no, if this post was any longer, I'd be done for internet cruelty.
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kathleenfoucart
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:00 am (UTC)
Great post :) I will refer people here whenever asked "But how do you even try to get published?" Right now, my usual response is:

Me [staring blankly]:Well, first you have to write a book. Or two. Or ten. Or more.
Them: ... (That usually ends the conversation)

And if I ever hear anyone say this: 'oh This Published Book is so terrible, it will be a snap for me to get published.' about you, I will thoroughly trounce them. Or at least glare angrily in their direction (I'm not very good at trouncing, but glares I have down-- still working on the deathray glare, though).
SonshineMusic
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:03 am (UTC)
This was the bestest post
I laughed, I cringed, I laughed some more, I retweeted, I laughed, I sent the link to my sister. This post made me happy.
midnightsmagic
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
The bit at the end, about people telling you you should write realistic adult fiction instead of YA fantasy? It happens all the time in pretty much every creative writing class ever, unless you are lucky enough to find one that is solely for writers of YA and/or fantasy. (Psst. Teen fantasy writers should check out Alpha.)

My undergraduate institution, which was reasonably well-known for its creative writing program (at the undergrad level), was also considered a great school for writers of genre fiction because none of the professors explicitly forbade you to turn in genre work. However, nearly every time I met with my favorite professor he would unthinkingly dis genre lit by giving me a backhanded compliment along the lines of, "Here is a list of literary magazines to which you should submit your work! You may write fantasy, but you are good enough for them! Unless, you know, you want that fantasy audience." Me: "Uh. Yes. Yes, I kind of do want an audience of fantasy readers for my fantasy fiction..." Him: *blank look*

Honestly, I have heard so many stories along the same lines that I would almost recommend against writers of YA and fantasy (and science fiction and romance) trying to study creative writing as an academic discipline. Even if your work is praised, your genre is often put down, sometimes overtly and sometimes subtly.

...That was pretty off topic. Sorry. Great post! I especially liked your discussion of the "shortcuts."
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
Yes, it is a tragically common thing! I also hear many excellent things about Clarion for genre writers.
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callie_girl
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:18 am (UTC)
Suddenly, ninjas.
Ninjas are always sudden. If they weren't sudden, you would see them coming. And if you saw them coming they'd be pretty lousy ninjas.

As one of those wacky wacky people who want to write and be published, thank you for this. The idea of trying to enter into this system is enough to make you want to eat your own hair but having someone who's been there say, "Okay, here's the thing," is exceedingly helpful. Which is good. I like my hair.
quiet000001
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:07 am (UTC)
I feel "Suddenly, ninjas." needs to be on a t-shirt, if it isn't already. Just that. Maybe with some kind of mysterious black-on-black ninja-esque symbol just to help with the confusion.
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kilerkki
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:28 am (UTC)
I don't know, I kind of really want to read this Regency novel where the alternatives to an awkward social situation are 1) giving her the cut at Almack's, or 2) poisoning her!
dwammedout
Nov. 15th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
Me too! I like Julia's style ...
elvenjaneite
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:34 am (UTC)
One Day I Will Surely Meet Megan Whalen Turner, And Tell Her How I Love Her, And Then She Will Back Swiftly Away, O Glorious Day...

I know this one! But I suspect she may be used to it by now, given Sounis's tendencies (the community, not the character).
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callie_girl
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:42 am (UTC)
Please tell me you mean this literally, because I am now jonesing for a story in which the heroine dies at the end of every chapter and the narration progresses through her concurrent reincarnations.

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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arathe
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:03 am (UTC)
I love your posts! They always make me smile. :)

I remember when you first got published, and how ridiculously excited I was. Obviously because I loved your writing and couldn't wait to read your book, but also because we are the Same Age. Which was amazingly validating to me at the time, because age always seemed like such a barrier to publication. It made me think, "If she can do it, so can I!"

And then-

I have written thirty-four books.

-I realized that even though we are the Same Age, I might be just a little behind you in the productivity department. Whoops! I only have one sad, pitiful little book to my name, one in dire need of revisions.

But! That's one of the reasons I love posts like this. It reminds me that I won't get better unless I work, and if I keep working, odds are I'll get there someday. :D
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:13 am (UTC)
Forget me, Jennifer Lynn Barnes (Raised by Wolves, it's awesome) is younger than I am. Kody Keplinger, who wrote the excellent The Duff, is eighteen, and the author of Halo which I haven't read but which is fabulously bestselling is I believe also eighteen.

I started when I was very wee, which means the books were naturally kind of bad, and considering the length of time, kind of plentiful. But hey, worth it in the end. Good luck, and I hope you liked my books when they did come out. ;) (I can guarantee nobody would've liked the first fifteen or so, though my loving papa made a valiant effort.)
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thunderchikin
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:06 am (UTC)
I'm meeting Megan Whalen Turner this Friday. I'll let you know how swiftly are her backing skills.
igrab
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:22 am (UTC)
Just wanted to thank you for this ♥ I have a dream and I'm willing to fight for it and every little piece of information helps.

Someday I will be published and at some point I will meet you and be incapable of speech. It will be fantastic.
thedreamcreator
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:30 am (UTC)
Thank You
...How did you KNOW?

Just last night, at an unofficial Night of Writing Dangerously I was having with my friends, I came to the dreadful conclusion that I am not, and never will be, deserving of the title Published Author. I'm self-published, true, but that's no where near the same. I've always been like Katy Perry's boyfriend to my writing--hot and then cold--but last night I just stared at that latest sentence in my novel and said, "That's it. Forget writing. I'm going to just going to be a librarian or something and never write another word again unless I have to because this sucks, I suck, and my dreams need to be buried now." My friends and family have all been nagging me about this decision, but they're friends and family; I can't trust them about stuff like this!

So when I opened my inbox earlier this evening and saw that the title of your post was "Getting Published in Three Simple Steps", I very nearly did a literal facepalm. For a moment, I thought the Guy Upstairs was just having some fun messing with me. But then I read your post, and it just became really inspirational to me. Sure, maybe it would be better if I never wrote another word aside from the nasty essays they demand from us at school. But you've cheered me up so much that I think several Double Stuf Oreos and a good night's sleep will easily do the trick to help me open my Word document. Your line "The writers I think are most likely to be successful are those who never give up on writing itself, but who can give up on a certain project" helped rekindle my desire to write. Maybe I am no good, but I can at least have fun doing what I love. So, after an unnecessary ramble, thank you for this post!
rai_ryu
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:34 am (UTC)
This post has been so helpful! Thanks for covering so many topics (Including "knowing writers will not get you published", because at one point I was a fool and believed it would).
In the end the writing is its own reward. I'll work hard to make my novel the best it can be, and if it still not the type that can be published, I will feel accomplished in that I stuck it through to the end. Then I will move on to the next.
I had sought critique/advice from a teacher of mine who had been published. A lot of it was very helpful (such as "don't make a character's limb do something unless it is in fact their LIMB doing said action and not themselves. Which I have been able to use quite effectivly in my rewrites). Some the things were, however, more along the lines of "you can't do THAT in fantasy". I take this critique as a sort of challenge, so as I don't have to do away with it, but instead write it so it WORKS.

Again, thank you very much for the post. It has inspired me to write all over again.
demoerin
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:38 am (UTC)
I enjoyed this post, I'm appalled by the James Frey story, and am indeed shocked!! to find out the truth about Nancy Drew and Sweet Valley.

I'd like to add, though, that in some countries literary agents are just ... not a thing. In South Africa, where I am, there isn't an established profession like that. However, publisher's associations also give information to aspiring writers, which can help people know what to expect.
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:47 am (UTC)
Well, it's true, but it also depends on where you want to get published: I'm not American (I'm Irish, I think we have two literary agents in the country) but I chose an American agent and went with an American publisher first, then spiraled out from there. So anyone anywhere can do that.

Good tip on the publisher's associations!
thegreatmissjj
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:39 am (UTC)
You know...Bruce Patman Makes Out With Everyone would be pretty well-received, methinks...
anywherebeyond
Nov. 15th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
In eyeliner. Add eyeliner to that, and I give it a rousing thumbs up!
shanna_souzou
Nov. 15th, 2010 04:50 am (UTC)
Best post ever! I feel like I should print it out and carry multiple copies on my person. One of the few downfalls to working in a bookstore is that I get the whole "I'm a self-published author" speech atleast once a week. What follows is a painfully long discussion about how their book is 'print on demand' and since there's no demand, I can't just give them a table and let them sign books all day for their legions of imaginary fans.

I am however guilty of the "This Published Book is terrible..." line of thinking. It does stem more from my frustration that my favorite books never sell while I can't keep enough Steig Larsson in stock (probably only the third book in my life I have started but never finished.)

The thing I admire about you most aside from the ridiculous amount of determination and ambition that you possess (as made super-evident in this post) is that your writing always feels to me like a labor of joy. Whenever I see your name referenced somewhere I have this mental image of you in a dark room plunking away on a keyboard and giggling quietly, and sometimes not so quietly, to yourself. As if you don't even care if the book sees the light of day, you're just going to enjoy yourself. I'm just glad that your work has seen the light of day.

Just one question, maybe I missed it but did you say anything about the difference between selling an individual stand-alone book versus selling the first book in the series. Is this handled, viewed, or treated differently by your editor/agent/publishers? Is it simply a matter of the publisher deciding the first book is good and you'll get a second opportunity if it sells well enough? Or are their more hesitant to invest in a first book in a series by a previously unpublished author in case it never goes anywhere. Just curious because we talk in our store alot about how the vast majority of juvy/teen literature is series these days as opposed to stand-alone books.
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:04 am (UTC)
Yay, bookshop people. ;)

Oh, well. Let me see. I know publishers often do like to sign you up for two-book deals even if what you have is a standalone, because second book coming out propels the first one, and it's good for writers too because the publisher is more invested in them.

I don't have direct experience because I'm a series kind of girl: I love playing with characters I care about and hoping other people want to see more of them, and being able to add detail and colour to the world. So the series trend really works for me: I wrote Demon's Lexicon as able to stand alone because I knew they mightn't go for a series, but I wanted to write a trilogy all along. And my agent said 'series potential' in the cover letter, my first offer was for two books, and I said 'Can we tell people I'd like to do three' and we did, and that was that.

So publishers like two book deals, and they like them even more since serieseses have become very popular. But I also think that standalones are swinging back a bit, for those who prefer 'em: Brenna Yovanoff's The Replacement is a gorgeous standalone fantasy that's got tremendous publisher support.

I do have lots of fun writing, it is true. I'm glad the joy comes through. ;)
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annafugazzi
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:11 am (UTC)
Write fanfiction!

Doesn't work. I mean, I've done it, and I've also been published, but I also ate daffodils this one time. There is no connection between the two things.

You just made me startle the hell out of my poor cat. And also snort-laugh :D :D :D
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:23 am (UTC)
The eating daffodils proves that there is no 'Step 4: Be Very Intelligent...'
speak_candidly
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:12 am (UTC)
I might still try critters, but I find I really like a tighter-knit critique group. I just wish there were an easier way to find/set up a critique group of people with works that are in the same stages of being finished, are reasonably similar (all novels, all of not incredibly different genres for which I would be no use, etc.), and are not... um... accepting of authors who are, er, more enthusiastic than serious or otherwise delusional about what will or will not be saleable (I'm sorry! I have too many friends that write epic fantasy without a solid hook, or stuff so purple I could dye a royal cloak with it, or something they were working on with a friend who gave them the whole project when they had a falling out and it's totally all theirs now and they don't see why that might cause a problem with copyright...).
kayefierch
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:44 am (UTC)
Suddenly, ninjas

If you don't want to use this, can I?
jeffsampson
Nov. 15th, 2010 05:44 am (UTC)
This is a great post. A (stupidly long) comment on work-for-hire: I actually started out writing work-for-hire outlines for K.A. Applegate's Remnants series (I was a know-it-all 18-year-old at the time, so this was basically the same time you were shopping the reincarnation story (which sounds awesome)). I then wrote 5 work-for-hire Dungeons & Dragons novels. It took me awhile to realize that, within the writing community, no one considered me legitimately published. Which was lame, because I certainly spent a lot of time and energy writing those books.

But even if I wasn't exactly rolling in respect from my peers, doing work-for-hire let me learn a lot about writing while "on the job," so to speak. I felt a lot more ready when it was time to jump into the big leagues for the book in my icon with that decade of experience behind me. Of all the "shortcuts" (though I'm not sure that publishing five novels is much of a shortcut), I think this route is most helpful to aspiring authors. You get to work directly with editors to develop your craft, learn how you operate under deadlines, and you get paid for all the practice you're doing. Always sounded like a pretty sweet deal to me.

Of course, one would want to make a point to avoid the James Frey-style contracts!
lots42
Nov. 15th, 2010 07:03 am (UTC)
That's crazy. As a used book seller I know those fantasy novels are crazy admired.

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lots42
Nov. 15th, 2010 07:02 am (UTC)
'Realistic fiction'? Sure, it can be done well. But I like stories with lots of potential. Throw in some possibillities, put in some rules and you're good to go. That's why Stargate was so popular, you never knew what was going to come tumbling out and eat a redshirt.
amberley
Nov. 15th, 2010 07:17 am (UTC)
Simple Truths Well Said
Thanks for the good advice! I will avoid eating daffodils, and also keep in mind those other things.

I would, however, eagerly buy and read a book of yours titled "Suddenly, Ninja" whether it was set in Sweet Valley High or not. Even if it was made up and not a memoir.
lots42
Nov. 15th, 2010 07:55 am (UTC)
Re: Simple Truths Well Said
I got confused and imagined 'Babysitter's Club' being infested by ninjas. I'd read that.
mcgooglykins
Nov. 15th, 2010 07:56 am (UTC)
Out of curiousity, why did you eat daffodils?
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 01:57 pm (UTC)
I was dared to. *mature*
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idiot_mob
Nov. 15th, 2010 08:43 am (UTC)
(um, sorry if this has already been asked, there are lots of comments there, I did not read them all)

So my questions are: 1. HOW does one go about getting a legitimate agent? Are there lists online or anything like that? The book I had on writing marketplace had maybe four agencies in it all up.

2. What is the name of your friend/book that was self-published on amazon? Maybe if you link it she might make TEN dollars!
sarahtales
Nov. 15th, 2010 02:05 pm (UTC)
1. Damn it, I just went looking for a long post I wrote about getting an agent, but apparently it was one of the victims of my journal deletion lo this year and a half ago.

Okay! There are lists of legitimate agents online, yes. A good way to get an agent who is both legitimate and likely to be interested in you is to check the acknowledgements in the books you like best and think are similar to yours in subject matter and sensibility, and then look them up online and see what you think. Also reading publishing blogs: www.nathanbransford.blogspot.com is a good one to start with! (He's also, I hear, a terrific agent.)

2. Jane Doe, by J.T. Kellerman: http://www.amazon.com/Jane-Doe-ebook/dp/B003ZUYQQ6/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289829611&sr=8-1-fkmr2
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